I know, but Groves will move to linebacker anyway, as I mentioned.

Agree to disagree I guess. I think Groves is definitely good enough to become a solid NFL Linebacker. Denver will have an idea before they draft him what he can do. He's already perfect size for a linebacker, doesn't need to lose or gain weight.

guess it wouldn't hurt him to lose 10 pounds.

Perfect Jets draft if your going to do a 3rd give the jets brandon albert (4th would be ahytba rubin)

very nice packers draft

also i don't think im going to do a 3rd and 4th round. honestly too do them i feel id have to have some type of inside information (in other words do this for a living, like todd mcshay or mel kiper). otherwise after 2 rounds it's really just guessing.

i honestly agree, but felix jones is the best player available at that point. there is someone every year who makes a pick that's outside an area of need. I think if Rivers is there they take him or if dominique rodgers falls to them they jump at it. but i honestly think there is no great value pick for that point for their major needs.

Vikings aren't going to draft a WR in round 1. Childress doesn't believe in doing so and there is such great depth that a good WR can be had in round 2 or even 3. Calais Campbell would be the pick at #17. As for the second rounder, Hefney just ins't worht #48 overall I wouldn't touch any safety other than DaJaun Morgan in the 2nd. A TE,WR,or OT would be better there.

I also noticed you have Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt going too low. Williams is going to end up being mid-late 1st round pick.

you said it, they don't have a huge need. when that's the case you generally are going to take the best player available. that's why i had them taking jones.

as for the vikings, how do you know, did you have a chat with Childress lately. their biggest need, BY FAR, is wide receiver. why wait until round 2 when the talent pool is obviously lesser. they'll take who they think is the best receiver when they are picking, which is Limas Sweed (assuming he proves he isn't injured anymore).

and as for williams i disagree he will go that high. obviously i am not expert, but you aren't either and this isn't an exact science. not trying to insult you, you could very well be right, but i do disagree he will go that high (for the record so does mel kiper, who is an expert)

i still disagree about minnesota. Wide Receiver, in my opinion is their biggest need by far. they were the best team in the league against the rush, which means their d-line isn't that bad. as long as they have the williams boys they will be all right. there is a reason peterson slowed down at the end of the year, and that's because he was constantly facing 8 or 9 man fronts and teams were challenging receivers to go one on one against corners. Minnesota doesn't have one that can win any battles. he would be absolutely foolish not to pick a WR in round 1. also i don't think that's a good analogy to the tampa 2 with valuing corners. that defense takes value off of the corner just because of what they have to do. there is no offense that makes a wide receiver not quite as important.

i was wrong about kiper, and i was looking at his mock draft, which has him going 13 to carolina. and again, i said you could very well be right, it's not like this is an exact science.

actually that was mcshay's, i know about kiper's big board. he has him going 19th to the eagles. anyway, i obviously disagree. but i'm sure doubting myself quite a big now. i think he'll slip at the combine a little.

i honestly believe the main reason your pass defense was bad was because your rush defense was so good. people just threw and eventually the numbers are going to accumulate. there are only a few DE's in the league who can play both the pass and rush, and i don't think at 17 your going to find one.

8 and 9 man fronts may not have been the whole reason he slowed down, and yes he saw some against chicago and some of the other games he played well. but chicago also mixed in some 6 and 7 man fronts, which is when peterson would break a 30 yard run. after that, it was just 8 and 9 man fronts. either way, a good receiver who can beat man coverage consistently is going to putt less people in the box and open up the box for more games like chicago.

also, i agree you need a defensive end, but i just think you need a receiver quite a bit more. and yes, this is a deep draft for receivers, but your not going to get someone as talented as sweed, jackson, or kelly (if he's there) in round 2.

Coples will be converting to linebacker in my draft. definitely don't see them just drafting 2 players to play end. Thanks, i like to think i know some of what i'm talking about

I think Limas Sweed especially can come in and contribute soon. Bobby Wade can be in a Wes Welker type role all he wants, but those are pretty lofty goals for Bobby Wade. Also, you have have a very young QB, RB, and WR, your not drafting that final piece to come in a put you over the top. I agree you need an end and a safety as well, but not quite as much, at least in my opinion. Rice did come on, but if you can have Sweed or Kelly to along with him, and that running game, then that would be an outstanding young core.

One thing I would worry about as a Viking fan (which i'm not,and am in fact a packer's fan) would be the play of Tavaris Jackson. I think he has a chance to be ok, but honestly as a Green Bay fan at this point I'm not all that worried.

I've enjoyed the debate as well, and thanks I definitely appreciate that.

i would but i don't know how to login to see the page. they won't let me because i only have it on facebook.

Don't forget that the Pats have Sammy morris as well as Maroney and Faulk. They don't need another back. And don't tell me that Morris is to old, because when he was in, he was tearing up the field.

I get where you are coming from with the BPA for the Giants. I dont see them being able to utilize Jones to make the pick valuable. Maybe as a kick returner, though they have Hixon, Mcquarters, and Ross. But he would be the 3rd or 4th option in the backfield that already has the change of pace back in Bradshaw.

The giants need help in the secondary, OL and linbacking core. If they pass on Conner, Otah, and Flowers to fill glaring holes to make a lateral move I would be surprised.

Flowers is a beast, him and Ross would be the core for a good defense for years

Otah is a very good tackle. I think he is more naturaly a RT but could be coached to play LT. Could move Diehl back to G and upgrade 2 positions with one pick.

Conner would be an upgrade to a LB core that needs to get faster and more athletic.

Just my .02$ Though getting an exceptional RB isnt exactly a 'bad' pick, I dont think it very valuable for the G-men. Like a Ferrari in Alaske, sure its fast and great to look at but when are you going to get to drive it?

Chiefs wouldn't pass up a shot at a franchise OT like Jake Long or Ryan Clady to replace Willie Roaf who was missed big time last year IMO.

a lot have Cinci getting Ellis but they are extremely thin at LB and Rivers should go there (or at least before 26th overall)

Desean Jackson just doesn't fit with the Panthers too much like steve smith, plus we are trying to develop Dwayne Jarrett for the 2, also with the addition of Muhammed yesterday

Manningham will freefall (late second?)after that combine.

Its a myth that Tampa needs a Free Safety, Tanard Jackson drafted in the 3rd round last year has filled that position nicely.

Fred Davis in the 1st? a bit of a reach when they're rumored to be about to release Shaun Alexander and will need an RB.

The Giants won the superbowl with Jacobs and rookie Ahmad Bradshaw for the second half of the season why mess that up getting another young RB?